Ep. 5 | Tiny Tuness On Music, Identity, and What “Rockstar” Really Means

Tap in as Tiny Tuness comes through The Kenlo Show for a conversation that goes deeper than the music.

What starts as a laid-back sit down quickly turns into a real look at the moments, moves, and mindset that helped shape her journey. From city to city, chapter to chapter, Tiny shares pieces of the story that never make it to the timeline.

And just when you think you know where the convo is going… it takes a turn. You’re gonna want to catch that part in full. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

Hey everybody, it's your girl Ken Low back at it again. And tonight I'm here with my girl Tiny. We're gonna talk about her music, her journey. So let's get started with a game.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

What's the game we playing? So we're gonna play this a day, okay?

SPEAKER_02 0:18

So first, how you doing tonight? I'm doing good, how are you? I'm great. I can't complain. Let's get right into it. So this or that. Writing alone or in the studio with people? Make it fast. Give us a quick answer. Writing alone. Writing alone? Okay. Freestyle or written bars? Written bars. Okay. Beat first or lyrics first? It could go either way, but I'll say beat first. Beat first? Yeah. Recording or performing?

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Performing. I like to see what people react to my music.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Okay. Then mixtapes or albums? Album. Okay. Alright, let's get into the journey. Alright.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

So tell us who you were before the music in the platform. Before I like professionally started doing music in the platform, I was just an 18-year-old girl selling phone cases at Franklin Mills Mall. Like selling phone cases? I was selling phone cases. I was fixing phone screens. Um, I was just living a regular life. I didn't re I wasn't really sure what I wanted to do if it couldn't be music. So I was just trying to figure it out, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

So how did you figure out, like, okay, music is what I want to do? Like, I know you ain't say, like, you know what, I want to make, you know, phone cases. I want to fix these screens. Because you know, you gotta start somewhere, just like you know, we all do. So who introduced you to music and how did you get fully into it?

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Well, I was selling phone cases at the mall, and a friend of mine, they knew that I've always wanted to do music. And then one day they were, like, they were they stayed at the mall for me to finish my ship, and they're like, yo, if you want to do music, why you don't go to the studio? And I'm like, I'm so oblivious. I'm like, what do you mean? They have studios in Philly? And he was like, he's like, Yeah, let's look one up. And he looked one up and we found one, and then we went to the studio the next night, and then from there, that's when I was like, oh, I was holding myself back, you know? Like, I just wasn't really looking up the proper information. But since then, I I loved how I sounded on the mic. And I just kept going from there and elevating my sound.

SPEAKER_02 2:19

So, how was the first experience being in the studio? I know you said it was a great night, but like tell us about how you found yourself, going into the studio and then leaving, like, hmm, I think we could do this for for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

It was when I just when I heard my voice through those speakers, and mind you, that first studio session probably wasn't the greatest. Like, once I listened back to it now, I'm like, yo, I was hype over this. But once I heard my voice back, and then I played the song in the car, I kept replaying, and I was like, yo, I gotta do another song, I gotta do more. Like, it was like it was like a crackhead when you find crack. Like, I'm addicted from the rip, I was addicted, you know. It's cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

So you were born in New York and then you came to Philly. So what would you say is the difference from your style to your music? What would you say is the difference between New York and Philly?

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Well, I lived in New York till I was seven. So I I don't really remember too much about that. And then I lived in Florida for another seven years. I really ain't find my sound till Philadelphia, but I still do have that New York in me, you know. Like I listen to a lot of New York artists, so I could see where some of my style comes from. And then I also I have a mixture of that Florida. I always get told I sound like a white girl or something. Like, I don't know why I get that, but I always get told that. But I feel like I've mixed all the areas that I've been through, like been in, and all the different sounds I've heard. I feel like I've combined them all into like my own sound.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

So how would you compare Florida and Philly sound?

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Okay, like Florida. Alright, so I was younger then, so it might not have to resonate with now, but when I was younger, it was just more like, you know, the pop, beachy vibe, you know, like radio songs. When you come to Philly, Philly got more of the authentic, like bars, like pain rap. Like you could hear more struggle rap in uh Philadelphia. You don't really hear too much of that in Florida.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Okay. Now, you know, a lot of people say it's something in the world with Florida. Now, you say it's a lot of pain in Philly music. What kind of feeling did you get when you listen to artists from Florida?

SPEAKER_01 4:26

They just, I don't know, they make me just want to like go to a rave or something. Like, you know, just go party, but as opposed to I mean, there's certain art, I'm not gonna say for all artists, but you know, but I feel like I'll cry more listening to somebody from Philly spit music. Like I'll I'll relate to them more.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

Like you hear somebody spit their pain, it's like, damn, that was Zeke. Like Florida, they don't really talk about relatable stuff. They don't really they don't get into it like that. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Now, when people see you and they hear your music, what do you want them to feel? What do you want them to understand about you?

SPEAKER_01 5:00

I want them to understand that even though I have this persona on the internet, I might look like everything is glitz and glamorous. I'm still human. I still hurt the same way you hurt. I still bleed. I still cry. I cry a lot. You probably don't think that, but I cry a lot. Like once my album drops, you're gonna be like, yo, this girl was depressed the whole time. Yeah. It'll be a relief though. Yeah. It'll be a great relief. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Now, talk about your experience in Arizona. I remember you telling me that you had a time in Arizona, you know, you've been doing great things. Like I saw you were on a show, you was elevating in your music. So tell us all about it.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

Arizona was lit. I'm not gonna lie. Like when I first went out there, I had signed up for like this hip-hop festival. I performed, and that was the most I've ever seen people gravitate to me at once. Like out there, a lot of people move in teams, call themselves like little independent. They have like a lot of independent labels out there. Like, I first came off the stage, it was literally like six, I don't want to say six, seven, but shit. It was like six to seven, like lab independent labels, like yo, we want you on our team, we want you on our team. Like everybody wanted me. And they only heard one song, and I was like, it was a little overwhelming, but nobody was really talking about no money. So I feel you. I ain't really, I was like, you know, I don't know what's going on here, but I loved it out there. People were nice.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

So would you say in Arizona? So I will say how was the sound, but I feel like I'm asking that a lot. But what is the sound like in Arizona? Because I never heard of a creative scene in Arizona. Tell us about this scene in the South.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

Arizona's probably all right, so you see how I describe Florida against Philly? Arizona is probably a mixture of all that. Like, plus, they got their little West Coast vibes, but they do rap about pain, they sing about pain. But Arizona, you hear all types of genres of music. It's not like I feel like that's why they don't have a music scene. Like, you know how Philly's like known for a certain type of music. New York is known for like drill, you know what I'm saying? They don't have a sound that they're known for because everybody is doing everything.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Okay. Now, you were on a show, right? In Arizona.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

I did a couple of shows. Well, you mean the TV show I did? Yeah. That was in Hollywood. That was a hollow. Oh, so tell us about Hollywood. Okay. Well, I got picked up in Arizona to even go to Hollywood, you know what I'm saying? Oh. Yeah. Somebody, um, it was a promoter. He seen me do a couple of shows, and he reached out to me. And he was like, hey, I want you to do like a tour. I'll arrange all the shows, just come out here for like a week. So I did like, it was really three days. I did seven shows in those three days. And at the last show, that's when somebody came to me and was like, hey, like, before I even performed, it was like, you don't, would you be interested in doing a TV show out here? That show's supposed to come out in like the next month or two. It was like a reality show on artists. But that was fun. It was cool, it was a good experience.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Tell us more about it. We want to know the experience because we see other people on the shows like Netflix, but tell us about your experience. How was that?

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Well, this one was like, it was like a competition. I think, I don't, I think it was like 10 artists, and everybody was like competing for a prize. Uh like it was it was really cool. Like, it was a lot of nerves running, a lot of stuff happened. I had a little scene in there. I don't I don't know if they kept it in, so I'm not gonna say nothing because I really can't say too much. But just gonna have to see it. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

Alright, wait, let me look at the core. Hold on. It's getting good, it's getting good. What made well so okay, so from Experience Arizona, what made you come back to Philly?

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Well, honestly, I wasn't like I kind of fell off. Like I just wasn't stable and I wasn't in the right mindset anymore. A lot had happened, and I just needed to come back home and reset. Like, I was out there by myself.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

So I had I kind of had to come back home and Philly's home to me.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

Okay. Now, being an artist, being a woman, and also being part of the LGBTQ, what are some of the pros and cons that you had to deal with on an everyday basis, especially in the industry?

SPEAKER_01 8:58

The pros, can I curse on here?

SPEAKER_02 9:01

I mean, hey.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Oh, the bitches love me. That's like you know me, that's the pros. Like, the cons is the niggas love me too. And sometimes they like I I'm a singer, so sometimes they be getting out their mind, like, oh, she's singing like that, like that be annoying. But I haven't really, I haven't had too much foul experiences being um an LGBT artist. And I feel like I'm gonna say, like, you know, since Young Gate May came out, I feel like nobody even cares about that no more. So it's a lot of like, it's a lot of gay artists or whatever. I don't feel like I was ever discriminated from my from me being gay. Like, I feel like people appreciate my talent more because I'm gay.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

I love it. I love to hear that. Now, aside from your sexuality, what are the pros and cons that you deal with as an artist?

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Pros. You know, you get a lot of compliments. You get people that want to help you, that want to look out for you. Cons. It's a lot of those people be lying. They say they want to help you, they want to take you to the next level. A lot of you get used a lot. Like, I've been used so much. Like I've gotten somebody a record deal, and I still don't have one my damn self. So it's like people use you for your energy, use you for your talent. Sometimes they'll use you just to keep you below them. They don't want to see you elevate, so they feel like, oh, if I could capture this energy and keep it below me, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn something to elevate. And it and it happens, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 10:23

I've seen it happen, but now tell us about your new record, new attitude. How does it feel? Having a new song, about to drop a video. Tell us about it.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

I'm I'm honestly excited. New attitude. I recorded that in Arizona. I did my video on Philly though, but I've waited so long for this video.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Like, yeah, let's talk about the You knew it was coming.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

You knew it was coming. I waited so long. I so I recorded this in July, and then randomly, the person who recorded they went to Atlanta, and something happened, and everything was gone for a long time. And I thought he was lying because I've gotten my music stolen a couple of times, like like at least three or four times, like from the studio, all this. So I'm just thinking this is deja vu, this is happening again. And it's been like it's it went on like five months, and he's still telling me, yo, I'm gonna get the video back. I'm just waiting on a certain situation to come through. And I'm just like, why are he lying? Like, like just let me know. Like, then it got to the point, like I got fed up. I thought about all of it. I'm like, yo, this keeps happening to me. I'm about to just quit. And I did. Like, I took all my music off, all platforms. I dyed my hair black. I was about to cut my hair off. But they get like that sometimes. I get it, I get it. I was crashing now, I'm not gonna lie. And then um, I just remember praying to God. I was just like, you know, I don't know if I'm making the right decision. I already just was dramatic as hell. So I was like, if I'm supposed to do music, if I'm supposed to continue, please bring me my video back. You know what I'm saying? The day I have my appointment to cut my hair, I promise you not. So you were serious. I was so serious. Like, go through with it. I was really about to- You can't do that. No, look, God had other plans.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

But I but I get it though. So, not to cut you off, but how did you keep going? Like you said you was gonna give up. You ain't cut your hair, thank God, because that listen, we need the red locks, we need that. So, how did you just keep going? How did you do that? How did you get yourself back up?

SPEAKER_01 12:24

I've been I've been praying a lot more. And like, so I decided I was gonna go to the studio one time just so I could shake my jerseys in the studio. And when I went there, he's like, yo, thanks for texting me. I just this is to remind you, I just got everything back. I got your footage back, you'll have your video back by the end of the month. And I was like, oh shit. Cause I'm like, I'm supposed to cut my hair the next day. And I'm like, yo, I just told God, like, hey, if I get this back, you know, I'll take it back or whatever. So that kept me going. Just seeing the signs the universe gives me, that kept me going. Motivational words, my mom helps me keep going, you know. Shout out to the girl. Shout out to my madre, you feel me? Oh, blue's glasses, fell.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

Now tell us about the relationship with you and mom, because she she's a great supporter. You know that's my guru. So how did she, how did she know that she was fully in as a momager? Because you know, she does the stuff.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

She knew she was in once I was completely fed up. I've had, what, three or four managers, and they all screwed me over the opportunity they got. They all, like, they all, everything was good till it wasn't. But once it got to the final point, my mom was like, listen, I'm taking over whether you like it or not. And I'm like, you know, I'm like, uh, I don't know. Yeah. I'm like, and I know she does. So it's like, you know what? I can't go wrong with my mom. Like, that's another, you know, I'm an extension of her. She's an extension of me. So it's like, I got much better on myself. So of course.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Now, how do you balance nine-to-five life and artist life?

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Oh, I you do that. I can't even lie. Like that's honest though. Tell us why you hate it though. It takes so much energy for me. Like, I'll get off of work and have to go do a show, and I can't even give the show my all. Because I'm drained. Yeah, I'm drained. Or like I'll be at a show and I want to stay. Like the other night I was at a show and I wanted to stay so bad, but I was like, Yeah, I gotta be at work for five hours. Like, I gotta make sure my health is good. And like.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

It's it's funny you mention it because I go through that a lot. See, I had work today, it's Friday. You know, I do with kids, so it could be a lot. But I look at it like this. Like, when you really care about what you do, it's nothing that's gonna stop you from showing up. You're always gonna pitch up 100%. Even if you look like you're 70, you always gonna show up with that 100%. That 30 gonna, you know, gonna pop up somewhere. But mmm, this is so good. Oh, wait, I got more questions, I got more questions. So tell us about the creative scene of Philly. How have you been navigating that? Because me being born and raised in Philly, I know how it can get. But what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 14:56

I'm still trying to figure out how to navigate it. But I could say before I left into what it is now, and this is just based off like the last few shows I went to, it's it's definitely getting a lot more creative. Cause at first I was just used to people just oh, hard bars and dancing and stuff like that. Now I could say, like, there's a I've met a lot of artists that is like, like, you know, they changed my perspective. Like, hey, you know, maybe it's maybe it's not so bad. Like, I'm not the only one out here who sounds different, you know? Oh, we got a bunch of rock stars here. Yeah, I'm starting to see that. It's just like I feel like I was in the wrong places. I keep going to a hip-hop show and I'm a singer. Like, what the hell's wrong with me? But but I mean, it's it's cool to be different though.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

It's cool to be different. Neil, did you have a sense of fear like coming out in Philly, like being as though you're a rock star and you got different styles? Oh, period.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

I ain't give a fuck. I'm like, yeah, listen, I know, like, I'm confident in my talent and confident in who I am. So I'm like, you know what? It's either you gonna, you're gonna either hate me or you're gonna love me. But I've never like, I've never gotten like a bad, like, I've gotten like, you know, people like, oh, you know, you could probably work on this and work on that, but every time people like hear me, they always say, like, yo, like, you're gonna make it, like, you're gonna be a star. And that keeps me going. Like, I'm not gonna lie. Like the other day I performed a song, he was like, You need to just go to the Super Bowl with that. And I was like, oh, like, it was such a high compliment. I mean, it was a competition. He still didn't choose me, but he still complimented me before he said, Oh, I'm gonna have to choose this other person. He was like, Yeah, you need to go to the stadium, but we not, you know, we in Philly. Yeah, but it still gave me motivation. I'm like, that's such a high compliment. Like, you don't have to say that.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

I love that.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Yeah, hold on, hold on. Who's glasses keep falling on?

SPEAKER_02 16:44

I don't think he's since we're talking about blue, let's get into so tell yeah, tell us about blue. How did you come up with the character?

SPEAKER_01 16:52

Okay, so I used to have a teddy bear named Blue. It was a blue teddy bear, but he got lost in translation. Um a new friend that I met when I came back to Philadelphia, they knew like we was getting close. I told them a lot of stuff that happened to me. And I can't remember if it was my birthday or Valentine's Day or whatever. And they got me a like a bunch of gifts, and blue was one of them. And when I seen the blue eyes, like the sparkly blue eyes, I'm like, you know what, this is my teddy bear reincarnated. And she knew I love aliens, so I kept, I'm like, this is my new blue.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

I didn't even talk about that with you. Aliens, why do you love aliens so much? I've always wondered about you. What made you what's your love for aliens?

SPEAKER_01 17:35

I feel like they be talking to me. Like, I don't know, like that might sound crazy. I feel like me and them got a special connection. Like, I was casted here from another planet. And also, fun fact. So you I know you know my mom. So you know my mom called me Ellie, and my last name starts with an N. And if you put that together, it literally is Ellie.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Who ate that up?

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Oh, okay. So this has been something I've been playing since I was little, because I always said, before I even came up with this tiny tunes persona, when I was little, my my my name was gonna be Ellie. Okay. And I was like, I'm gonna call my fans Ellians. So it kind of just was already there. Like, I like that.

unknown 18:14

I like that.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

How would you describe your sound to someone who's never heard you before without using genres?

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Without using genres, relatable and fun.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

Relatable and fun. So what makes it relatable and fun?

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Because I have m I have music that gets into how I really feel. Gets into like dang, I didn't know she felt that way. And then I also have music that's like, all right, we about to turn up, we about to dance.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

So how okay, you said turn up and dance. Tell us how you feel when you get on stage. Like I know you be having fun, but tell us like how it feels when you, as a rock star, you know, you up there when you first get up there, and before you get on stage, what's the feeling?

SPEAKER_01 18:58

Sometimes, like a lot of times I'm nervous, so that's why I wear glasses a lot, so nobody can really see that I'm nervous. I get that, I get that. But after, it depends on how the crowd is reacting to me. Like, once I pick up on a vibe, like I'll I'll get into it. Like, I feel like my second song was always better than the first song, because the first song I'm still working through.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Mm-hmm. You're trying to gauge the energy.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Okay. And sometimes it's hard because like I said, Philly's the place where they want to hear bars, and I come out, I'm singing a love song. They like, go get a guitar. Like, what are you doing? Like, but yeah. It's nervous, but I still do love I don't know, I kind of like being nervous. Is it weird? No, okay, explain it though. I never heard nobody say that. Why do you like being nervous? Because I it gives me the opportunity to push myself out of my comfort zone. And that's how I honestly know that I really care about it. Because I feel like if I didn't have these feelings and emotions towards it, I really don't care about it. That just means it's anything. I feel like that's how you know you really got passion for something. You really love something.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

I like that. Okay. How do you balance authenticity with industry expectations? That's a great question.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

I kind of had to learn to say fuck the industry. Because there was, don't get me wrong, there was a point in time in my career, you probably could have told me the industry wants this, and I would have did that. It's happened before. Like, I'm not gonna lie to you. But then it got to a point where I'm like, I like I just generally realized, all right, you guys telling me the industry wants this, but I get a better reaction when I'm just myself. When I'm actually am authentic, when I do what I want to do. So it just was like, well, why am I listening to y'all? But the world not showing me that. When I listen to y'all, I don't get what I'm looking for. When I listen to myself, I see what I want to see. So I'ma just bet on me every time.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Speaking of which, I like how you use AI for marketing. Now, with AI, you know, people hate it, people love it. Now, how do you want to keep going about that for a marketing tour also shaping your image? Alright, so that goes.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Because I don't even know how I started. Alright, because remember I told you I had quit, I took all my music down. So I kind of was at first, I was literally just using the AI to kind of like tell my story. Because if you like look at my AI channel, it shows me taking my music down and people harassing me. Like, I wasn't even using it as a marketing tool, I was using it to like make fun of myself, like in a way, but I wasn't expecting so many people to even pay attention to that. Because it kind of creeped me out, because why you got my face? And it's like weird. I don't know. But I think it's cool, and I could I could also put myself in situations that I want. So I also try to use it to manifest the life I want. Like you'll see my AIs performing in stadiums because I want to perform in stadiums, so I feel like maybe if I could see it, it's even though it's AI, it'll be easier for me to visualize it. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Now, who would you want to perform with in the stadium? Rihanna. Why Rihanna? Why not Rihanna? Like, but I love we love Rihanna, but you know she been chilling because you know she a mom.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

And that's why I need to bring be the one to bring her out retirement. So you feel like you could do that. I had I saw it in a dream. Like, honestly, I saw it in a dream. Rihanna brought me out on stage.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

So what you gonna do? I'm with Chaplin. I look, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

I don't got no plan.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Because we want to see her, but we're Chaplin.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

To keep praying. Yeah, look. I would keep praying and let God do his thing, you know? Keep keep doing. That's all I can do. Like, I don't know Rihanna. You know Rihanna?

SPEAKER_02 22:33

I wish I did. See? I wish I could get free makeup. I don't wear it. I just want to know that I got it from Fenty herself.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

That's what I'm saying. But we're gonna see. We're gonna see. Hopefully one day in the future that manifests. Now what about ASAT? Would you do music with ASAP? Yeah, I do music with ASAP. Okay. I mean, he stole my bitch, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

So you gotta crush on Ri-Ray. That's dumb. I did that thing. I mean, I like Thick Rihanna, very cute, very t. Very tea. But I got girlfriend. She can't be here inside.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

You know, I respect I respect her relationship. I ain't do nothing. But if I could just make a song with her, catch a vibe, I'll be happy. Then would it be Caribbean? That'd be lit, because I'm Haitian. So maybe we could, you know, both for us could collide Barbados and Haiti. See? Yeah, that'd be. That'd be that'd be fire. It'd be definitely fire.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

Did you do a show with Haiti? No? I'm about to.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

I don't know the day, but that that's come. That's what you feeling like. Tell us. That's all up to my mama, you know. I don't know. I'm just I'm supposed to go out there in the summer. I'm supposed to open up for a band out there. So hopefully everything falls through, you know. It's pretty dope though. Going back to your home team and doing the stuff, okay? I just was out there not too long ago. How was it? It was lit. I'm gonna go back.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Tell us about you keep singing this lit like tell us I ain't never been to Haiti.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

I was it's a little crazy out there. There's no like stoplights or stop signs, so everybody's just driving. Everybody driving on motorcycles. But the people there are so sweet. Like the Haitian people, they will sleep on the floor so you can sleep in the bed. They're so sweet, and they're always making sure everybody is cool. Like it's not like it's not like people are stingy or trying to like one up the other person. Like, it's generally a country full of love. And that gave me a different perspective on life. Like, we take a lot for granted over here, and there's people who barely have nothing who will still give you everything.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Like I did. Neil, I keep saying Neil. It's just so much to talk about, but we're gonna go back into the game, okay? Let's play. So okay. One word your younger self needed to hear. Patience. Patience.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

The older meaning is stared at too. Why the older you? I still have no patience.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

I ain't got no patience. Why you being a post-up? What's going on?

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Because I'm an Aries. I'm a fire sign, so I don't know. I just be feeling like things need to happen now. And if it don't, I get in my feelings. That's okay. We get in our feelings at times.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

It's okay. It's okay. One habit that changed your career. In a good way or a bad way. Either one, bruh. I mean it changed.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

I'll say drinking.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Drinking, okay. That's honest though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

One thing people always get wrong about you.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

A lot of people think I'm like cocky and like I don't like. Like, I don't know. Like, they think I'm full of myself. But in reality, I got really bad social anxiety. I'm just really scared of human.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

I feel like you're lying.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Because when you was at mirror arts, you was getting done on that dance floor. You thought I forgot. I wasn't getting, but that's hard. But listen, when I first got there, you could ask everybody. I would just sit in a corner. It's just because I, you know, me and some people warmed up. Once I'm comfortable with you, you get all the personality. But like before that, I just I'm so shy. Like, you could be talking to me and I don't even know how to respond to you. Like, it's just, it's just really bad.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Super cool until you get, you know, you lighten up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah. A lot of people think I got a big head. I'm like, yo, I really don't. I just, I just don't want the interaction to go wrong. And I know I'm different. I get it. I'm the same way. So I'm a little awkward. You know, I get it.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

I get it. You don't seem awkward. I'm awkward. Oh trust. Like, I mess up a conversation. Oh, you cute. I'll be like, uh-oh, my God. Can't even talk. I can't even talk. So that'll be sad. Oh, you know, okay, so but you keep elevating. How would you define your success right now? Ain't a success.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Don't renege. I'm happy with who I am now. I feel like if I was to be, if I would have got everything I wanted, like eight years ago, I would have fell down. I would have already fallen off. I would have went downhill. I feel like I had to go through a lot as an artist and as a regular person to be who I am now.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

But I wouldn't say you was a regular person because who you are today is why you are who you are today. You like you gotta think about that. Like, you see how I'm Ken Low. I was Kennedy, but you know I'm Ken Low. So you Sally, but now you tiny music. You had to get her to get to get to who you are right now. Exactly, yeah. I was trying to say motivational, that didn't work. But hey. What kind of legacy are you trying to build? And is it intentional or not? Now everything is intentional. Let me take that back, man. Was it intentional when you came Y'all let me take my time, okay? When you got into the music, as you were building your legacy, did you know it would become a legacy for you? I'll say it like that. No, I did not.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Because at first, like I mean, I knew I wanted, like, I wanted to be a superstar and all that. But when I first started it, like I said, bars was not there, vocals wasn't even all the way there. So like I didn't I saw when I was little, but I didn't I honestly didn't think it could happen if that's what I'm trying to say. Like, I didn't think people would actually gravitate to me, people would actually want to listen to me, people would actually care about what I even got to say. So the legacy I I wanna leave. I do want I hope I could be influential. Um, I hope I could a lot of artists could relate to me. They could probably hear my story and it motivates them to keep going. I hope when I die, y'all still listening to me. I feel like that's the best when you die and they're still listening. Like Michael J. We still listen to Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

Yeah, every generation does.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

I need something similar to that. That's that's what I would want, you know.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

With that in mind, do you think your sound would change over time? It changes every day. Yes. Now, do you want to be a rapper? I'm not a rapper. Do you know I'm saying I know that, Twin, but I'm saying what you want to? Like, do you ever feel like, okay, I'm gonna try to rap today?

SPEAKER_01 28:52

You say I got rap songs. But I prefer singing. Does that make sense? I do rap. You will hear some rap music, but I prefer to sing. Like, if I had to choose, I would choose singing. But of course I'll rap. But I'm not doing no freestyles. It's paid style over here.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Period. Pay styles, not freestyles, pockets, pockets. Damn, would you make some music for the girls, like house music? Yeah. I love the girls. That's crazy. Wow. How about that look like though? Like, would you like, how would house music look for you? I don't know. I think you should consider it.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

I think I will.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

I think you should.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Alright, and I'm gonna shout you out for the idea. See, we onto something. That means we need a collab on something. I'm no rapper though.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Oh, you be rapper? I don't rap. I'm not I'm no rapper. Oh, you know rapper. Well, I'm no poet, you know. Just here talking to you, doing the stuff. What excites you about the next chapter in your journey?

SPEAKER_01 29:51

What excites me is that I have completely no idea what's coming next, but I know something's coming. Just because I've been praying, and like I said, God's been showing me like, get ready.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Yes. I love how you mention God a lot, because people, you know, they're afraid to mention him. What made you lean on God more as you kept going up in your music and seeing the things that were going on?

SPEAKER_01 30:16

I lost everybody. And they're not dead, but they pretty much dead to me. But like I've lost the closest people to me. I watched them turn their backs on me. I've I've I don't know. Like when when you really just when you really have no one left in your corner, that's the only person you can turn to. I mean, don't get me wrong, I still got my mom, I still got my family, but you know, they're supposed to be there. But everybody outside of that, they kind of said, fuck me, because I decided like, and it happened when I said I wanted to stop smoking and drinking. So I'm like, damn, so I'm gonna change yourself. Yeah, so I'm like, damn, so I want to elevate and like motherfuckers don't want to mess with me no more. And then they start doing shady stuff, and it like it really, it hurt my heart. Like the person I even started with music with just turned their back on me recently. So it's just like once you lose everybody, that's the only person you can turn to is God. And I could talk to God about anything. It don't matter, there's no judgments, you know.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

So, what is your greatest advice or piece of advice that you have for people in the music industry or coming up?

SPEAKER_01 31:22

No matter how dark those days get, no matter how much you want to stop, keep going. Because it's probably about to happen the moment you quit.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Period. Thank you for being here, twin. But before you go, but before you go, we got a special performance by you. Oh yeah. I heard you wanted to perform on the show. So let's get ready for that.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Let's get ready. Yo yo, it's TinyTunes to Alien Rockstar. Right now I'm about to do an exclusive with the Ken Lowe show. I'm making famous. I'm about to go through it, I'm brainless. I just showed up for the party. How the fuck they know my name? But fuck it, let's get it. I'm pussing again. I don't do bodies and I don't do friends, but study and battle. She knows flip 10. Uh fuck it, I'm lying again. Yo, bitch can bring that ass. Yeah, so fat and make me disappear. I love it when you touch me. Go crazy like no one's in here. That cat's so fat, I can see it in the back. But she come through with some massive attack. Whoa, look how she thumb in the back. Yo, pass me the honey, I'm about to relax. We wanna battle, I'm packing my bag, I'm flick. I be like throwing some Rex D lit. Come in and show me that ass to a split. Show me you really like that. Ayy, ayy, I wanna see you say, Go buy and get famous. Lotta go stupid, I'm brainless. I done showed up for the party. How the fuck they know my name is? Ayy, ayy, I wanna see you say, Ayy, ayy, I wanna see you say, Go buy them, make a famous. Bada go stupid, I'm brainless. I done showed up for the party. How the fuck they know my name is? Ayy, ayy, I wanna see you say.